Top 10 Problems for Yuri Anime Fans

This is a list of things that personally cause me some issues as a yuri anime fan.

This probably doesn’t need to be pointed out, but I don’t mean to imply that all yuri anime fans have to deal with the topics addressed in this post. I’m not some authority figure, after all. But I do hope that other fans can understand what I’m talking about.

1. Neglecting to consider how a potential ship could play out

I have a bad habit of almost instantly shipping two girls with one another if they share any suspiciously intimate moments early on in a series. That can include excessive blushing, frequently holding hands, adopting nicknames or dropping honorifics, and so on. It’s hard to give up, but I’m working on it.

The problem lies in that the practice is haphazardly careless shipping. By being too eager to ship, I’m forgetting to consider whether or not the two actually make a good couple, whether or not the two truly have chemistry, whether or not the two can grow as individuals should they be together, etc. The last one probably isn’t as important considering how some characters (and people) don’t really change all that much even after entering a relationship with someone else, but it’s certainly nice to see an individual develop (partially) due to love.

In other words, it’s important to contemplate whether you’re shipping these characters together for solid reasons or whether you’re doing so out of wanting to just see them together.

Speaking of intimate moments…

2. Accepting the controversial nature of subtext

Subtext refers to instances that can be interpreted as being erotic or romantic in nature happening between two (or more!) characters. The thing is that it’s really up to interpretation – subtext is inherently unclear and ambiguous, which allows for “messages to slip in that audiences or execs may be unwilling to deal with directly.

From what I can tell, two major conflicts tend to arise whenever subtext is involved.

Firstly, the audience often claim that the producers are being cowardly and that they’re “queerbaiting” by using subtext because they lack the bravery to show two same-sex characters being in a relationship. It’s disingenuous to label every show that features subtext as queerbaiting, however – that should only apply to specific series. Hibike! Euphonium, due to the behavior between Kumiko and Reina despite the fact that Reina is in love with their music teacher while Kumiko supposedly gets with her male childhood friend according to the original source material, could be considered to be one such example. Meanwhile, Princess Princess Kuzu no Honkai, and Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon should not be considered guilty of queerbaiting. At any rate, it’s always frustrating whenever such instances pop up because the audience ends up feeling like the producers are toying with them in order to improve viewership.

Secondly, the audience may fail to collectively agree upon if the chemistry between two characters is subtext or is actually text. Different people have different interpretations, after all.

3. Being forced to accept subtext due to scarcity

2017 has actually been rather generous in regards to giving the people shows that could be considered yuri, to be fair, but yuri anime fans typically have to watch several series in hopes that there’s at least yuri subtext. It ends up being like a guessing game, really, and the result has said fans watching specific genres (such as Girls’ Club shows, Cute Girls Doing Cute Things shows, etc) while keeping fingers crossed.

Yuri anime fans are forced into this position because of the general lack of series that specifically mention or depict yuri in its summary or premiere PVs. While there might be around one or two anime series per year that is universally accepted as yuri or as a queer story with no questions asked, yuri anime fans would run out of series to discuss really quickly if they limited themselves to such specifications. As stated earlier, this is where yuri subtext comes in since many of these Girls’ Club series and other such shows feature a considerable amount of that. As a result, yuri anime fans have a lot more to watch if they relax their standards slightly.

4. Preparing for shipping wars due to subtext

With shows that aren’t specified as yuri but contain subtext, multiple ships tend to form due to personal preferences in character dynamics. The fact that the same girl can experience moments of ship tease between several different girls depending on the occasion or episode certainly doesn’t help (or does help, depending on your perspective).

Fans may disagree about ships and OTPs, but I do hope people can try to keep things respectful. It’s fine if they think Kyouko should be with Yui while you think Kyouko should be with Ayano, for instance. There are enough instance subtext for both ships in Yuru Yuri!

5. Realizing that being forever alone is okay, too

With all this talk about ships and this glorification of relationships, I’d like to point out that being alone is fine, too. Being in a relationship with someone doesn’t guarantee happiness and some individuals are genuinely content as single people.

Receiving a happy ending by getting together with someone you love is certainly a good thing, but not every character has to be paired off like that. Don’t force a ship simply out of whimsical desire.

6. Not receiving a happy ending if the characters do get together

I’m of the opinion that Class S still (at least slightly) influences the modern yuri genre to this day. For those of you who are unaware, Class S predates yuri and stories within the Class S genre featured two females having a temporal relationship before one woman or both women decide that they should move on to heterosexual relationships that are considered to be “real.”

That sort of faulty reasoning is both heteronormative as well as incredibly dismissive of LGBTQ relationships. Yet such a notion lives on with a few characters claiming they’re just experimenting or that they’re only “gay until graduation.”

It’s why I get excited when female characters insist that they’re not playing around, that they’re explicitly lesbian, and that they plan on keeping their relationship long-term by discussing future plans. Class S had its moment to shine in a different world and time frame, but tragic endings for yuri stories are out-of-fashion.

Unfortunately, positive resolutions can be hard to come by at times. Not every series opts for such resolutions.

7. Dealing with vagueness of relationships compared to other mediums

As mentioned earlier, some anime series can be considered to be yuri on account of subtext. A series may take the plunge so a relationship goes from implied subtext to in-your-face text later on, but some viewers will decline to acknowledge the transition or even the elements within said relationship as being possibly romantic. That’s fine, I suppose, since I try my best appreciate other people’s opinions.

That’s due to the nature of subtext and yuri anime’s reliance on said narrative devices. Things are intentionally kept vague (see point #2).

Such ambiguity isn’t as prevalent when you turn to yuri manga, yuri light novels, or yuri visual novels, however. I believe it’s due to how these other mediums are more text-heavy so feelings can be expressed more easily. Anime that features too many speeches risk being labeled as preachy, so they’re more reliant on actions that often can be interpreted differently (i.e. are they holding hands as friends or as lovers? That is the question).

This isn’t a full anime adaptation (yet), but I remember linking the Kase-san and Morning Glories video to a self-proclaimed yuri fan a few months ago.

His response was: “…Is that it?”

To him, the video wasn’t yuri enough. Apparently, he was more of a fan of the dramatic soap operas seen in Netsuzou TRap and Strawberry Panic! From his choices in favorites, I think it’s fair to suggest that he wants the yuri to be more blatant and more overt and that he considers subtext or more subtle, gentle yuri to be “boring.”

To each their own!

8. Fetishizing yuri

During my final year of undergraduate, I had to take one last writing class. I decided to try to write a paper about yuri because I was playing through Kindred Spirits on the Roof at the time and was enjoying it immensely. We had to present our topics to the class while my peers provided suggestions and different angles I could adopt in an online document. After my presentation, I saw that several individuals wrote down that I could talk about yuri as a fetish.

What I learned from that experience is that some individuals believe that yuri is something to be fantasized about, that two girls kissing and groping each other is a turn-on. Well, it certainly can be, but I can’t say I’m a fan of series that explicitly and shamelessly milk such interactions for viewership.

I’m well aware I’m in the minority here since many male yuri fans seem to love Sakura Trick while I consider it to be trashy according to Zeria’s survey. I’ve talked about my misgivings regarding Haruka’s obliviousness in previous posts (here and over here), so I won’t elaborate on my thoughts in this particular article.

And to me, that’s a shame. Like what one wise yuri fanatic once said (paraphrased), “two girls holding hands can be considered to be splendid yuri, too!” Sometimes the audience should be expected to read between the lines is what I think.

In other words, the guy I mentioned in point #7 needs to check himself. Yeah, I said it.

9. Finding it difficult to recommend/talk about shows

There are several reasons why I started this blog (that is supposed to be about yuri). One such reason is due to how there are simply a lack of people interested in yuri within my immediate surroundings.

Even though I have a twin brother who shares many of my interests, he has little interest in yuri. Apparently he can’t enjoy a series unless there’s a male character for him to project onto.

When his friend came over and we were talking about anime, my brother brought up that I blog about anime (et tu, Brute?), which caused his friend to ask me about what sort of anime I watch. Before I could formulate my thoughts, my brother said that I prefer shows with a lot of girls in ’em. Technically that’s true, I guess. In any case, his friend said, “Oh, you’re that kind of anime fan.” Apparently he was more into shounen and sci-fi series, as a side note.

What I learned from these experiences is that you can’t trust family some people are simply not interested in yuri and that other people have preconceived notions about what yuri shows may entail. Well, to be fair, my brother misrepresented the type of shows I typically watch which led his friend to assume things about me, but I digress.

10. Coming to terms with why you’re a yuri fan

I’m still struggling with this one, to be honest.

After I pestered her to be honest, a friend has pointed out that I’m technically an outsider when it comes to yuri since I’m not a lesbian. So why am I interested in yuri?

Another friend said, a few months back, that she was under the impression that I identify with being a girl and that throwing myself into yuri is my way of coping with that desire. That possibility holds some merit, I’ll admit, but I won’t go into details.

In the end, I’m not sure if I can state the reasons behind my passion for yuri. It’s probably something emotional rather than logical. Maybe it’s just enough to say I just prefer yuri.

If you’re looking to read more about ships, you can check out my collaborative post with Irina from Drunken Anime Blog! Part one can be found here and part two can be found over here!

21 thoughts on “Top 10 Problems for Yuri Anime Fans

  1. I’d have no problem asking for your yuri recommendations.

    I love well-done yuri for the same reason I like any well-done anime about relationships. (Even medium-rare anime.) If I can fall in love with a character and start to hope for this person’s well being, it is a good anime. Makes no difference to me if it is Banana Fish or Izetta the Last Witch or RG Utena or Yuri on Ice.


  2. “Even though I have a twin brother who shares many of my interests, he has little interest in yuri. Apparently he can’t enjoy a series unless there’s a male character for him to project onto.”
    Yeah, I tend to notice most men prefer ecchi/harem.

    I think there’s so few yuri anime it’s because yuri anime tend to sell poorly in term of BD/DVD sales. Serious romance like Aoi Hana have sold horrendously, and even pure yuri pandering like Sakura Trick flopped. The fanbase interested in serious yuri romances simply isn’t large enough to support anime. However on the flip side lots of anime are willing to throw in some yuri subtext or just close female friendships, on the off chance it will convince a few yuri fans to buy their discs while didn’t alienate men that’s not into yuri

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  3. Hi! Just recently finding your blog, but already finding it pretty interesting at times.

    As to the points, I can definitely agree on most, if not all, of them.

    With regards to #1, for example, I used to have a ship (in A Certain Scientific Railgun*) that I shipped at an OTP-level for quite a while, until I later thought about whether the characters could seriously work in a relationship together, came to the conclusion “yeah, no, not unless both of them change a fair bit as people first, and even then, with the way the show is…”. So I then changed my ships in the show to at least a more healthy-seeming possible ship (I tend to ship somewhat “loosely” at least as first..that is, I’m not often very adamant about a specific ship being an OTP. and I often even have several ships for a single character that I all ship at the same time). Interestingly, in the same show, as you point out in point #5, I have a character in the same series* who I ship with no-one, seeing them as a character who can handle being single or somesuch.

    Shipping wars…my goodness. Especially in Western fandoms I’ve been in the middle of some of those, indeed. Mostly with Korrasami and RWBY.

    Subtext. Ah, the reason I watch more than a few shows a year with Yuri in mind. How empty my anime-watching life would be without thee.

    As for #10…I’m pretty much exactly the target demographic, I guess, so…yeah.

    It’s in a way interesting that I’m also in the midst of preparing a presentation about Yuri in general to my local anime club, where I’ll be talking about exactly all of these kinds of things, most likely.

    (*First ship was Misaka x Kuroko, realized how toxic it would probably end up being for both of them in the end, switched to Misaka x Saten instead. Uiharu would be the character I can see as being single, despite a lot of people shipping her with Saten.)

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    1. Heya! Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words.

      Oh, I’m glad I’m not the only one. I have to definitely agree with you about Biriri x Kuroko not working out unless they both really change. Supporting more healthy ships definitely is better and requires more care, but I think it’s worth it. (Uiharu could definitely deal with being single. She’s a tough girl).

      Oh, yeah, shipping wars in those particular fandoms can get intense, haha.

      Mmm subtext is great!

      Hmm it’s interesting you say that. I do believe some shows (that could be considered to be yuri) target different demographics. Still, I think point #10 isn’t too big of a deal. If you like yuri, then that’s enough!

      Ohhh that sounds exciting. I really hope that your presentation goes well!

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      1. Well, to clarify #10, you could say I’m right in the intersection of the demographics at least a large majority of Yuri (and subtext) anime are aimed at…but I suppose there are some Yuri that are clearly aimed at a male audience, so I suppose those ones might be considered to be for a different audience…so perhaps I was generalizing a bit too much. But I would say that there’s only been one or two Yuri(esque) shows that I *haven’t* enjoyed in some way (mostly Valkyrie Drive, which I did marathon to the end a while back, and the recent SIn: Nanatsu no Taizai, which I dropped after watching Ep1 out of curiosity).

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        1. Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

          I’m not as confident at reading demographics for series unless it’s completely obvious. Recently a friend (and fellow yuri fan) started watching New Game! and I was hopeful that she would enjoy it. Unfortunately, she claimed the series was aimed for males and wasn’t a fan. I have to start considering the implications of demographics more closely from no won.

          Yeah, neither of those series could be considered true yuri for me. Both are certainly risqué and all, but there’s no sense of romance and it all seems rather trashy. I’m sure Queen’s Blade is much of the same.

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          1. Hmm…I’m not sure if it’s me reading the demographic perhaps all that well, honestly…it might really just be I’m in the target demographic for no anime ever (being part of a minority of a minority of a minority, pretty much), and since I’m not the target demographic at all, I just consider any anime I enjoy as “being part of my demograpic”…

            Indeed. Series like Valkyrie Drive etc. feel so much more like just pure (bad) fanservice than Yuri as such…(one friend of mine commented on Valkyrie Drive: “This couldn’t even be considered good porn!” before dropping the series without finishing it)

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          2. Ah, fair points. Perhaps making absolute statements about demographics is something we should avoid, or at least handle with care, since such claims kind of imply that only certain viewers or readers can enjoy said series. I’ll have to be more careful about this from now on.

            I guess some people will jump at anything involving two females, but said shows are definitely more about fanservice like you said. Your friend seems to have hit the nail on the head with that remark!

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  4. I still don’t know if I’m genuinely a “yuri fan”, or if the type of shows that I tend to like anyway just often have that element as part of their whole package. It’s kind of like a chicken-and-egg thing. I don’t actively go looking for yuri very often, but I end up watching a lot anyway because it keeps finding me.

    On the other hand, I’ve never had a problem with #1, because long-term compatibility has always been a factor for me in deciding who I was going to ship.That’s probably because as a writer myself, I pay a lot of attention to characterization, and elements that go into it like a character’s motives, beliefs, goals, etc. So someone’s telling me, “I ship those two, they look so cute together,” and I’m thinking, “This girl’s a pampered princess who wants someone to take care of her, while that girl lives a spartan existence and barely makes enough money to feed herself. How exactly is this relationship supposed to work?”

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    1. Oh, yeah, I can understand how that feels. Sometimes you’re just drawn to shows and then it just features yuri elements or developments.

      Hey, that’s great. I think more shippers should pay more attention to long-term compatibility like you do. I’m also not surprised (but still impressed) that you’re a writer considering the responses I’ve seen you left on DerekL’s blog as well as Irina’s blog. That’s super cool!

      Yeah, that relationship isn’t gonna last, haha.

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